Guest Post: Joel Webbon, Nazi War-Monger, In His Own Words

Today, Wasson Watch broke and it was not, in fact, right twice. In fact, not even once.

Unlike quartz watches, the Wasson Watch Company advertises a sweeping motion of its second hand, similar to that of Rolex. Today, the company’s X account labeled a broad swath of American patriots as “Nazis” for opposing forever wars in the Middle East, proving that the does, in fact, tick. In fact, ticked off a lot of potential customers by such a broad, sweeping claim about their fellow citizens and potential customers.

Known for its ordinarily unapologetic political takes, the Wasson social media account did indeed make an apology today, for not standing up strongly enough in the past against an alleged resurgence of Nazism. And this Nazism, Wasson alleges, is evident among evangelical believers known widely as “Christian Nationalists.”

One target of Wasson Watch Company was Pastor Joel Webbon of Right Response Ministries, who Wasson accused matter-of-factly being a “Nazi.” The evidence Wasson provided was not Webbon, perhaps in a secret combox or hot mic, advocating for the death and destruction of Jewish people. One would think that a distinctive mark of Naziism would have to be the call for a violent Final Solution of some kind toward their enemies. But no, the evidence provided by Wasson to make such a horrific, hyperbolized claim was that Webbon had recently suggested that Nick Fuentes offered a correct perspective on the Iranian conflict.

A BROKEN WASSON: RIGHT NOT EVEN ONCE TODAY

Webbon’s comments on Fuentes were not an endorsement of the celebrity incendiary pundit. In fact, his comments relied upon the generally agreed-upon supposition that Fuentes is not a Christian exemplar. That made it all the more notable, according to Webbon, that’s Fuentes has a correct opinion on the preemptive military intervention in Iran, while so many other more commendable influencers are so wrong. His point was not a promotion of Fuentes as a muse to the disenchanted, but as a rebuke to more respectable influencers who struggle to see the issue with less clarity than a renown skalawag.

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But Wasson didn’t stop at labeling a Protestant minister a Nazi. He went on to demonize Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News personality turned podcaster who is followed (and trusted) by more than 16.4 million followers on X (where his show is hosted) and who have made him the 2nd to 3rd largest podcast host on Spotify, sometimes even edging out Joe Rogan for the top spot. Apparently, for Wasson, it doesn’t matter that one of the people who trusts and appreciates Tucker Carlson is President Donald Trump, who brought him to Mar a Lago on election night and counted on his support in the final days of the 2024 election. Tucker is committing, for Wasson, what is apparently an unpardonable sin; he opposes a preemptive military attack in Iran that was arguably made necessary after Israel launched its own preemptive attacks on the eve of Trump’s historic nuclear deal.

Despite Tucker repeatedly telling Ted Cruz just a few days ago that Iran should be bombed out of existence if their alleged assassination plot on Trump could be proven, his unwillingness to take the intelligence agency’s word for it and his America First hesitation to begin a Forever War in the Middle East was enough to earn from Wasson to harshest of condemnations. But it didn’t stop there; Wasson angrily rage-tweeted for hours today, even toward the MAGA masses who view the propsects of another world war with skepticism. In fact, Wasson went on the denounce anyone who disagrees on a foreign policy position that it appears Wasson itself on recently adopted, decrying them as “Nazis, Groypers, Antisemites” and “losers.”

HATED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS

The NeoCon War Machine traditionally has always attacked America First patriots as some variety of turn-coats for not supporting war as liberally as they would like. There’s really nothing new about the Deep State war profiteers drumming up a consensus for military conflict by alleging the worst of things about the war-hesitant. For me, it is Wasson’s attack on Pastor Webbon as a “Nazi” that I find most conservative as an evangelical Christian.

I would expect as much from a Big Eva acolyte, perhaps David French, who is literally on the payroll at Leidos (a Department of Defense military contractor). The most insufferable leftists at Christianity Today have lobbied for war with Ukraine supposedly for the benefit of Ukrainian evangelicals, and now support the Iranian conflict because whenever war is involved, suddenly everyone becomes Dispensationalists trying to ‘bless Abraham.’ Either way, they always seem to have a good, virtuous, Jesusy reason to support military intervention. Should they call Webbon or anyone else a Nazi, that make perfect liberal sense. Who haven’t they called a Nazi, anyway?

But for me, to use a buzz word of so many opining on Christian Nationalism, I find it ‘concerning’ that it’s become acceptable (or so it seems) to throw the accusation of ‘Nazi’ about so frivolously, and now for sins as innocuous as not giving the Intel agencies the benefit of the doubt, or for praying that Trump’s diplomatic solution regarding Iran’s nuclear program could come to an amicable solution without putting a target on the heads of 50 thousand U.S. service personnel within range of Iran’s missiles.

Wasson’s X feed is full of obvious disinformation, like its claims that Iran might hit New York with a nuclear missile (Iran’s best missile could not quite go 25% that distance) while being callously unconcerned with the wellbeing of 2,500 score of our military personnel within striking distance. Still, espousing NeoCon War Pig propaganda can be forgiven much more easily than alleging that a pastor who’s called for harming (or mistreating) anyone of being a Nazi. That seems to me to be such an obvious sin that whoever is operating the Wasson social media account should not only take a deep breath and calm down, they should repent (perhaps with sackcloth and ashes).

CALLING FOR REPENTANCE

And that’s why I’ve asked Pastor Webbon to share his thoughts. The accusation of Nazi toward those who don’t want endless bloodshed (a real irony, if you think about it) is done for one primary reason; the label - upon those for whom it sticks - dehumanizes them (again, this is ironic, because dehumanizing opponents is #1 in the Nazi Playbook). Its obvious why the label is so enticing. It allows ones’ critics to employ whatever kind of sinful slur or accusation they want, and to ignore (so they think) Biblical guidelines for how we treat others. Nobody sympathizes with alleged Nazis, because the moment they do, they’re an alleged Nazi Sympathizer. And yet, the Bible calls us to a Golden Rule that doesn’t provide an exemption for people we don’t like.

I’ve written this portion of the article without consulting with Webbon, to know what he will say. But I hope he gets into what - for me, at least -is of central importance at this current hour. If we could put a pin into all of the various layers of Nazi talk over the last 18 months in evangelicalism and come back to it later, it would be helpful to discuss the concern of the moment and that’s what we do with so-called Post War Consensus. I’d argue that little is more important at the moment than discussing amongst ourselves - like reasonable adults - the suppositions we’ve inherited regarding the benefits of preemptive bloodshed.

What I mean is, the common refrain among the Lindsay Graham wing of the Washington Uniparty (which is now Wasson’s wing) are slogans like, “it’s better to fight them there than fight them here” or “it’s better to fight them now than fight them later.” Operation Iraqi Freedom ended with more than 6 trillion dollars lost, one million Iraqis killed, 8,068 U.S. servicemen and contractors killed, and more than 100 thousand Americans physically or psychologically wounded based on those slogans, expressed by (in some cases) the exact same people still repeating them to us. Worse yet, that tragedy unfolded because of what we know now were objective untruths told by the very same intelligence agencies now hell-bent on war back with the same region for eerily similar reasons (the development of WMDs). And despite almost all other U.S. military engagements since WWII serving little to no actual purpose, these slogans are suppositions given to us by the historical lessons supposedly taught us in what is called the Post War Consensus.

On the verge of what could be WWIII not the time to rationally discuss whether or not the Post War Consensus has taught us the right lessons about military intervention or global diplomacy? For crying out loud, Vice President Vance has been widely denounced in recent days for allegedly trying to pull up on the gas-pedal to a proxy ground war in Iran by these same people. Just the rumor of an American vice president trying to prevent war over the phone has earned him the same treatment as Wasson gave Joel Webbon and Tucker Carlson. Surely we can agree that’s not okay.

Of course, the issues related to alleged Naziism are more broad than just the War Pigs rooting in rut over Iran, but in recent days it’s become the most notable. In any event, I reached out to Webbon to ask if he’d like to say a few words to explain what it feels like to be labeled a Nazi for not grabbing a war drum and marching to the beat of whatever rhythm the CIA and Bill Krystol is marching to.

JOEL WEBBON

It’s not every day you find your name tossed into the fire by… a watch company.

I want to be clear from the outset: Wasson Watch Company didn’t initially call me out personally. Instead, they made a sweeping statement that appeared to demonize just about anyone who criticizes Israel and thinks America shouldn’t have bombed Iran.

I responded by saying, “Bummer, such a shame” (with a humorous Dwight Schrute gif opening a coffin for someone to climb inside). In other words, I was saying, “Guys, you’re alienating a pretty massive portion of your market. There are a ton of men who love your product (they really do make fantastic watches) and fully support 95% of your message (Wasson is constantly taking bold stands on conservative cultural/political issues, which I, and many others like me, deeply appreciate), but there are a lot of conservative Christian guys out there that are convicted that the modern state of Israel is a serious problem. And yet these guys are NOT Nazis. They’re not advocating for a “final solution,” and they’re not encouraging America to go to war against Israel. They just want Israel out of our politics, and to stop negatively influencing our culture.”

Now, up to this point, I fully acknowledge that Wasson had complete plausible deniability. They could have not responded, or they could have said something like, “We’re not talking about you, Joel. If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.” Unfortunately, all plausible deniability went out the window when they immediately responded by publicly calling me a “Nazi pastor.”

Ah… so I was right in my suspicions. Wasson was talking about me, and much more importantly, thousands of faithful Christian men who think like I do. And thus, my disappointment.

This is a massive (and completely unnecessary) alienating of a sizable portion of their base. And it simply seems like a poor sales tactic to criticize potentially millions of Americans who don't want to send their kids to fight in another endless war.

I don't follow the watch world, but it seems Wasson got a bit too caught up in the excitement of FOX news. They didn’t just attack me (I’ll admit my political commentary is often a bit too spicy for the average listener), but they even lashed out at Tucker Carlson, and the many MAGA supporters who are genuinely cautious about more bloodshed.

To further complicate matters, they doubled down a few hours later when I publicly gave credit to Nick Fuentes for his analysis and predictions regarding the current tensions in the Middle East in my live-stream. They called me a Nazi, not because I called for anything (much less DID anything) violent or hateful, but simply because I was willing to publicly agree with Fuentes (who has been right regarding these issues far more than people like to admit). Sure, I have plenty of disagreements with Fuentes. For starters, I’m a devout Protestant, although I admit it gets a little harder each day to say that out loud. Yet, I think it's telling when a 26 year old, like Nick, sees many truths about geopolitics more clearly than all the so-called “respectable people.”

Simply put, I believe we should avoid another foreign war that could cost American lives. As a Christian pastor, I preach the Gospel and pray for my enemies. But I don't think we should be forced to support a foreign and idolatrous nation like Israel just because of our faith.

Calling someone a Nazi just because they disagree with you about war is wrong. It dilutes the meaning of the word and tries to silence people who question the military-industrial complex.

I always oppose reckless foreign wars, not because I hate anyone, but because I believe the Bible teaches us to avoid unnecessary conflicts. And I think leaders will answer to God for the blood they spill.

People listen to me because I'm not afraid to say what others are thinking, even if it's unpopular (like admitting Nick Fuentes was right). But the more you call us names like “Nazi” or “racist,” the less it actually works.

People are tired of seeing good men attacked for speaking the truth. I don’t expect an apology from Wasson, but I sincerely hope they consider laying off all the rest out there who think like I do.

BACK TO JD

JD here (in case you missed the heading ^). Let me say this plainly. I have never called for violence against Jews or anyone else. The only Final Solution I’ve called for has another name, more commonly called Jesus. To my knowledge I’ve never been called a Nazi, but the irony of others being called a Nazi by those who insist foreign nations bend to the liberal world order of leftist cultural colonization or face the wrath of American war profiteers is thick.

Here they are, demanding to take military action not for what’s good for America - but for the stock price of Raytheon and David French’s defense consulting firm - they demand that to be a good America we have to make sacrifices for a foreign nation that we’re not a citizen of and to which we have no reason for loyalty or allegiance. Using the Abrahamic Promise inherited by those who call Christ the Messiah, they insist a blood offering from our children to Ares, Mars, or whatever demon gods of war they currently worship. But in order to make their lust for death and violence seem less horrific by comparison, it requires they affix to us a term that they themselves more richly embody, that of a leftwing political party founded in 1920 Germany that - ironically - is known for bombing foreign nations to the sound of forced, thunderous applause.

To claim that as a Christian I somehow have to support the Israeli state because I love the Messiah that they have rejected? That’s beyond the pale. Jesus was neither crucified nor resurrected to yoke me under the bondage of the Old Covenant, so that two-thousand years later we could put Israeli war propaganda into our church bulletins. The Christian message is that God sent his son to die for me, not that I have to send my sons to die for Israel.

So let me ask the obvious question: what is a Nazi? Historically, a Nazi was someone who participated in a genocidal regime built on warmongering totalitarianism...a war cult, whose sacrament was human bloodshed and whose religion was death.

You don’t get to use that word just because someone disagrees with you about military policy in the Middle East. You don’t get to dilute the meaning of the word “Nazi” down to “guy who doesn’t trust the the intel agencies who told us Hunter’s laptop was disinformation” or who rolls his eyes when someone with the last name ‘Cheney’ warns us about WMDs.

The reason people listen to Joel—and to others in what’s now being called the Christian Nationalist movement—is because they’re not afraid to say what everyone else is thinking. They name what others whisper. And people are sick and tired of seeing every dissenting voice get tarred and feathered with slurs. YYou want to know what’s really unhinged? Apparently the Wasson Watch Company thinks the path to peace is paved with American blood in Iranian sand, and that anyone who says otherwise is Hitler in a clerical collar.

The truth is, our children matter more than our reputation. Our neighbor’s soul matters more than your spot at the table. The approval of God is better than the applause of man.

The use of the label “Nazi” as a rhetorical kill switch is not just dishonest—it is deeply immoral. It dehumanizes. It demonizes. It’s meant to silence, to isolate, to destroy reputations, and ultimately to frighten the next man in line from ever speaking up. And that’s the real strategy. The left used to do this, but now the neocon right has adopted it. “We’ll smear you as a Nazi, and everyone else will take the hint.”

But that doesn’t work anymore. Too many people have seen behind the curtain. Too many have watched respectable men get destroyed for saying obvious things.

And that’s what this is really about. Not antisemitism. Not nationalism. It’s about the fact that the post-War consensus is collapsing. The slogans have rung hollow long enough. The bodies are piled high enough. The lies are exposed clearly enough. And the American people are finally ready to grapple with the fact that we’ve been lied to by a lot of things, and war is just the tip of the iceberg.

And as a Christian, I’m not going to bless a war just because it’s cloaked in righteousness and wrapped in the American flag.