If I ever had a chance to sit down with Tucker Carlson, what would I tell him? I’d imagine many a random American conservative like myself has had that thought whilst listening to his podcast in their pickup truck. Or am I the only one who has those imaginary conversations with whoever is on the Spotify feed? I can’t tell you how many imaginary conversations I’ve had with Rogan over the years. It’s a grown-up form of a daydream, thinking about what it would be like to come across Rogan in the elk woods, who was also hunting the antlered beasts, and impressing him with my knowledge of bow-hunting and space-alien conspiracy theories. You do it, too. Admit it.
Like millions of other Americans, I’ve thought about it. Unlike millions of Americans, I had that chance. I didn’t want to pitch my books or grow my Substack subscriber list. My goal for the webcast interview was to share the gospel. But my goal for meeting Tucker was pretty singular; I wanted to show him a video.
A MAN WHO’S FACED THE DEVIL
I’ve written a lot about Tucker’s dalliance with the Dark Side over the last few years. It absolutely fascinated me because you never hear that anymore. used to never hear that. Talk about Satan was something rare, even in evangelical churches. Satan was turned into some kind of amorphous blob of evil, some non-personal embodiment of wickedness that was more metaphor than sentient, literal being. Talking about the devil was something hyper-charismatics did when talking about Jezebel Spirits and Leviathan curses. And nobody - I mean nobody - in the Public Marketplace of Ideas spoke about evil as demonic literalism. Least of all, evangelicals, because they have been too busy with their focus groups and polling figures trying to figure out what the worldlings approve of, and you don’t build a seeker-friendly, Purpose-Driven megachurch talking about the devil.
Several years ago, Tucker stopped speaking about evil as though it were merely bad legislation or corrupt institutions and began speaking of it the way Scripture does: as a living intelligence with a will, an agenda, and a kingdom. That change was enough to convince half of evangelicalism that he’d gone off the rails. Apparently, America can survive drag queens in elementary schools, legalized child sacrifice, and the prospect of nuclear war, but the moment a television host starts talking about Satan as though he actually exists, respectable Christians begin reaching for the smelling salts.
The speech that crystallized it all was at the Heritage Foundation. Tucker looked out over a ballroom full of politicians, donors, policy wonks, and professional conservatives and committed the one sin Washington never forgives. He insisted our crisis was not, at its root, political. It was spiritual. He called abortion child sacrifice. He urged people to pray. He spoke about evil without reducing it to metaphor or campaign rhetoric. He sounded less like a political commentator and more like a man who had become convinced that Ephesians 6 was describing the evening news. The reaction was immediate. Commentators who had spent years defending every fashionable absurdity suddenly rediscovered the boundaries of acceptable belief, and those boundaries apparently ended at the existence of the Devil.
Tucker sealed his fate at Fox News was in March 2023, he accepted an invitation to Rupert Murdoch's Bel Air vineyard for dinner with the Fox chairman and his fiancée, Ann Lesley Smith. According to Gabriel Sherman's reporting in Vanity Fair, the the conversation drifted toward Christianity, Smith and Tucker conversed over the Bible and the conversation came to Satan. The two agreed that Satan was a real, demons were an actual thing, and evil plays a prominent role in the world. According to reports, it unsettled Murdoch enough that he broke off the engagement and decided Tucker would need to be exiting Fox News, because, as one person said, “that stuff freaks him out.”
Then Tucker told the story that sent his critics into a frenzy. In footage recorded for a different product and released in 2024, something attacked him while he slept. He awoke bleeding. His wife never stirred. His dogs never barked, but he says it’s real and it happened, and from that point forward, got much, much more serious about God. Whether one believes his account or not is almost beside the point. Supernatural claims have always provoked ridicule from people who have quietly forgotten that the supernatural is foundational to a Biblical worldview. Evangelicals mocked him more than worldlings, with much of the secular world nodding their head and believing it, becasue many people have had experiences exactly like that. Scripture does not blush when speaking of angels, demons, principalities, powers, or the prowling lion seeking whom he may devour. It treats those realities as matter-of-fact. The modern church often treats them as embarrassing relatives who should only be acknowledged at family reunions.
I expect mockery from unbelievers. The surprise came from Christians. Men who profess belief in every miracle recorded in Scripture suddenly became functional materialists the instant Tucker suggested that the spiritual war described in those same pages had broken into ordinary life. They guffawed like Mean Girls in junior high when someone embarrasses themself. It was as though they were perfectly content to affirm Satan’s existence, provided he remained safely imprisoned between the leather covers of their Bibles. The devil quite likes it when believers become too sophisticated to take him seriously.
That was the moment I realized Tucker had stumbled onto something larger than politics. The fiercest attacks were no longer coming from ideological enemies but from people who should have recognized the terrain. Balaam’s donkey saw the angel before Balaam did, and the prophet spent precious moments beating the only creature who understood what was happening. History has a way of repeating itself. Sometimes the first man to recognize reality is not the one the experts expected, and sometimes the loudest opposition comes from those convinced they are fighting on the right side. And now, in 2026, the people who should have never stopped talking about Satan are attacking the people who are.
SHAWN RYAN
The most exhaustive piece I produced on Tucker and the devil was Tucker Declared War on Satan (and Satan and His Followers are Fighting Back). That was written last year, but it’s just as prescient now as it was then. Over the last week, Tucker’s enemies - also known as “the Israel Lobby” (because it’s the same people) have been attacking him under the auspices of a heavenly holy war, alleging that there’s something “dark and sinister” and obviously devilish about him. The crime? His guest, former Navy SEAL and webcast host Shawn Ryan, recently appeared on his program and discussed Satan. Ryan is on Israel’s naughty list for not abiding by their embargo on Candace Owens, whom he recently interviewed about her theories related to Charlie Kirk’s assassination, chiefly, that some level of conspiracy is afoot. The Israel Lobby does free speech embargos like the United States does economic sanctions. Candace is sanctioned, so anyone “lending her a platform” is also hereby sanctioned, and Ryan has been on Israel’s naughty list for several weeks now.
On Tucker’s program, Shawn Ryan told Tucker that he'd been working with some of the most respected exorcists in the country, and that things had happened, in his words, that were “really scary shit.” Essentially, the logic expressed afterward was, if Satan is real, God must be.
So, this was a conversation between two men who built massive platforms, speaking to millions of people, agreeing that Satan is real, therefore God must be real, and therefore, things like repentance, forgiveness, redemption, and Jesus must be real, too.
Let me tell you something: If that conversation doesn’t make your heart rejoice, and make you grateful the world heard it - and can’t recognize exactly how incredibly and awe-full that is, you might not be a redeemed believer. I don’t know how any spirit-filled human being, born-again by the power of God the Holy Ghost, doesn’t rejoice that we live in such a time where that type of thing is becoming normal. Do you remember the recent past, where conversations like that didn’t happen in public? It wasn’t that many years ago. Like, maybe one or two years, and mainly, thanks to Tucker, it’s becoming downright common for people to have these conversations about Satan, demons, evil and their relation to God.
EXPLAINING THE CONCEPT
I could pontificate all day long about this, or just show you a text I sent my dad and brother on March 16, 2024, at 7:28 AM.
I said:
I remember feeling at one point in rehab, and shortly thereafter, that I could not feel God at all, but I could feel the devil over my shoulder. His presence was palpable. Real. Close. The devil was very real and present in my time of trouble. I grew to recognize the devil around me over the years. I know his scent. Imagine when God seems very, very far, but Satan feels so close you can touch him. I said at one point, "I'm not sure I believe in God, but I sure as hell believe in the devil." But I knew logically, if there's a devil, there must be a God. So whereas faith wanted to falter, I could not escape the knowledge of God because God chose to make whatever demon he assigned [me], stick closer than a brother. The point is, the devil helped me keep the faith, because the devil is God's devil. I've been to the dark place. But, Jesus is in the dark, too.
I’ve been to the dark place. Jesus is there. In the corner. But Satan looms large there, and his sulfurous breath can be felt down your neck. Have you ever been in a place like that? That’s what Tucker and Shawn were discussing. And that’s what Israel’s rented evangelicals chose to turn into a scandal.
What gave me the thought expressed in that text is I had just driven to work, from my farm to downtown in an American town of 53k people. Despite being a “small town” by modern standards, I saw Satan everywhere I looked. Well, not Satan technically - he’s not omnipresent - but his imps. A homeless man on the street corner, clearly on drugs, standing up but asleep, like one of those Tranq zombies you see pictures of on the news. A cross-dresser or drag queen or some version of a mentally ill man in a dress shuffling down the street in heels he clearly had not become accustomed to, looking like a character from the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Over the radio, the newsman reported a child was kidnapped and murdered from across the country in what was reportedly a “ritualistic killing.” And the young lady at the Starbucks (don’t judge me) who looked like the one normal human being I saw that morning. Thank God! A normie! She looked like a girl from the church youth group, praise God. And when she handed me my change…she had cut marks on her forearms.
She goes home at night, breaks out the razor blade, and cuts herself. Demons run this world.
I’m not the only one who sees it. Most people do. And more Americans than ever believe that Satan exists. I laid this out in the article, The Devil Aint Dead, and He Aint in Your Head. I wrote, “For whatever reason, I see demons not everywhere I look, but wherever people are suffering, broken, lost in sin, promiscuous, self-harming, and self-loathing. I don’t think I’m imagining this. It’s everywhere. We literally have a culture where people use the pronouns they/them, just like demons, and we think nothing of it.”
And yet, the church barely discusses it. I pointed out in that article that SermonAudio, the collecting ground of sermons from thousands of pastors around the country, had 2,766 sermons about Satan or demons, and had 3,992 sermons about John Calvin. Who’s mentioned more in the Bible, Satan or John Calvin? The church has been burying its head in the sand for decades, afraid of freaking out the lost world. And in doing so, we’ve derelicted our duty to preach the full counsel of God’s Word. The irony is, John Calvin and the Reformers, and goodness knows, the Puritans, spoke often and frequently of the demonic, which I laid out in Puritan Demonologists and This Present Darkness. I wrote…
The Puritans did not compartmentalize the devil into a few odd sermons; he was woven through the fabric of their theology. When Owen dissected the nature of indwelling sin, he warned that Satan amplified the motions of the flesh, leveraging them to draw Christians into despair. When Perkins addressed the duties of ministers, he exhorted them to guard the flock not only against false doctrine but against the devil who invented it. When Baxter taught on family worship, he insisted that prayer and catechism were bulwarks against Satan’s assault on the household. For them, theology was not an academic exercise but a battlefield, and the devil was not an abstract threat but the adversary they named again and again.
To us, their words may sound jarring, even excessive, yet the Puritans believed they were merely echoing the Bible’s plain testimony. Christ came to destroy the works of the devil, and if His coming was a declaration of war, then to follow Him was to take up arms in that same conflict. The Puritans did not blush to call the devil an enemy because they believed that to minimize him was to minimize Christ’s triumph over him. Their robust sense of God’s sovereignty never diluted their recognition of spiritual warfare. In fact, it heightened it, for if God is sovereign, then every skirmish with Satan is part of a larger story that ends in the certain victory of Christ.
The Puritans we revere were not shy about these things. They were demonologists, serious ones, and they wove their demonology into their doctrine, their preaching, and their pastoral care. If their words unsettle us, perhaps it is because we are the ones who have grown too rational, too timid, too eager to be respectable. The irony is that our spiritual ancestors, the men modern Reformed evangelicals venerate as paragons of sober theology, would regard us as the dreamers, the ones asleep in a battlefield where the enemy is both real and relentless.
We’ve come a long way, in which evangelicals mock two Christian men for talking about the devil. May God have mercy on us.
ATTACKS ON TUCKER AND SHAWN
Apparently unable to refute any actual claim or factual argument, Israel’s sanctions were enforced by a squadron of rented evangelicals who were busy throwing flags on the field, warning the world that there was something demonically fishy about media influencers talking about the devil. Something darkly sinister about it. Some brooding evil lay underneath the surface because, as everyone knows, nobody talks about the devil that much without having an unhealthy devil fetish. Some even suggested that the two men - each of whom shared their personal testimonies and recent conversions to personal faith in Jesus Christ - were spearheading a revival of Satanism. Because, you know…it’s devilishly suspicious and stuff.
The chief attack came from Jeremy Boering, who I’ve written about here, here, here, and here, who got his start in media as an actual Israel Lobby propagandist working for the David Horowitz Institute at Truth Revolt, a Jewish version of Media Matters (attacking the advertisers of media outlets critizing Israel) with Ben Shapiro, before then hanging onto Shapiro’s coat-tails at Daily Wire, before being forced out after wasting millions on failed vanity projects. That’s a long introduction for such an unimpressive man, a sniveling goyim sell-out whose entire adult life has been spent convincing Rabbinic Jews they’re right about Gentiles being born to be their servants. Now he has a webcast with approximately a fifth of NXR's viewership, despite dropping fortunes on advertising and regularly reaching into Shapiro’s old Rolodex to fly out mid-tier guests with more renown than he has to carry the program on intellect. Each and every single episode - every one - is an Israeli infomercial doing the bidding of the desert war cult. I’m afraid people think I’m exaggerating when I say that I’ve never seen foreign propaganda so poorly passed off as original programming in my life.
I’m not exaggerating.
Boreing brought on Rod Dreher, the Eastern Orthodox…something-or-other (I’m not sure what he does now) who was once a common figure on the Big Eva lecture circuit, tight with figures ranging from Russell Moore at the ERLC to the Gospel Coalition. He was the pet OrthoBro of BigEva whose pony had one trick - convincing American evangelicals to have less to do with the culture wars. His treatise was The Benedict Option, encouraging Christians to depart from public and partisan engagement (black-pill before it was cool), and I wrote The Benedict Option Arnold in response (available for free to premium subscribers of Insight to Incite). As you can guess, I called him a traitor. A lot. He disappeared several years ago after abandoning his wife and children, apparently to go live in Europe eating oysters or something. I forgot Dreher existed until, after my interview on Tucker, he tweeted an insult at Tucker for having yours-truly on his program, along with various false accusations and scuttlebutt.
Dreher’s purpose on Boreing’s show was to tell the world that he offered Orthodox exorcists to counsel Tucker after the demonic attack experience, now famous, that he had back in 2023. This alone should have been newsworthy. Everyone accusing Tucker of “making up” the tale or fabricating its significance should be issuing apologies, because Dreher just backed up the account for the world. Legitimately, Boreing vindicated Tucker, but the Israel Lobby was too busy salivating over one detail: according to Dreher, Tucker turned down the exorcists because he was “too Protestant for that” and he seemed to allege - in a scumbaggish “read between the lines” sort of way- that Tucker was in grave spiritual danger. I wonder if the Orthodox Church has clergy-penitent confidentiality vows that would prevent them from sharing that with Dreher so that it could be put on blast during Israeli-paid advertising.
Actually, they do. The Eastern Orthodox Seal of Confession is considered inviolable, which means either Dreher manufactured it, or some black-robed priests need to be defrocked. In any event, Israel’s rented evangelicals - like Jon Harris and Joel Berry (Boreing’s producer) - are having a field day.
JON HARRIS AND THE RENTED EVANGELICALS
Enter Jon Harris, whose sole purpose in the Israel First ecosystem is to convincingly cross-wire Dispensational Premillennialism and Historic Premillennialism for people who aren’t familiar with eschatological distinctions. He started auditioning full-time for the Israel Lobby shortly after returning from a state-sponsored Potemkin Pilgrimage to Israel, although some of his former followers think perhaps shortly before. In any event, Harris made comments on X, not accusing Ryan of demon worship outright, but wrapping the accusation in a Bible verse and calling it discernment.
“Something spiritual had been happening for a while, but it’s a counterfeit,” Harris announced, quoting James 4:7-8. The proper response to demons, Harris lectured, is repentance, turning to God and away from sin, not consulting exorcists on camera.
And then, in the same breath, Harris swung at every man newly awakened to the supernatural with one broad, ugly stroke, accusing “many of the guys who are becoming spiritually aware” of being involved in some of the worst slander and lying he’d ever seen.
Translation: Ryan and Tucker’s testimonies are counterfeit, and they are liars. Harris never named which lies. He didn’t have to. The insinuation did the work the argument couldn’t. It wasn’t an argument; it was a show-and-tell of cowardice. Name the lies, Jon.
But Jon Harris can’t name the lies, because then he’d be listing grievances all dealing with criticism of Israel, which would make apparent exactly who he works for. It was a reference, no doubt, to something that Tucker and/or Shawn had said at some point about Israel, which Harris didn’t like. It’s nothing more complicated than that. Harris would not only discount the courageous testimonies of these two men, throwing out their personal accounts of their spiritual awakening despite knowing they would be mocked by peers, colleagues, Jews and Jews’ evangelicals alike, and he literally assigned their work to the devil himself.
There was nothing remotely godly about Harris’ Tet Offensive against the work of God done on a webcast to awaken the world to the supernatural realities around us. God was magnified, Christ exalted, and millions watching at home were pointed to Christ Jesus and the Christian God as the one with answers to supernatural questions. What Harris offered was, in no uncertain terms, the godless and effeminate hand-wringing and manufactured theatrics of an evangelical Balaam turned priest for the Synagogue of Satan, a minister of Jesus moonlighting as a cleric of Rabbinic Judaism to attack authentic Christians on behalf of the Israeli War Complex. He listened to what was, by all accounts, an astounding miracle on its own account - a conversation like that being had in the public marketplace - and attacked the men as “liars” for some vague reason related to geopolitics and then accused them of being Satanic.
Jon Harris is Satanic. His behavior is Satanic. It’s not just a political disagreement. It is attacking a move of God the Holy Spirit that I’ve come to call the Populist Social Revival, where God is doing this awesome, incredible thing, awakening people to the supernatural. I’ve never seen anything like it in all my years. Sometimes I laugh out loud and clap my hands at what God is doing, like a toddler who sees a magic trick. It’s unbelievable. And then a sourpuss working for shekels with hopes of landing on the Israeli Influencer circuit attacks it. It’s grotesque. He is grotesque.
I saw a tweet, directed at me, on Joel Berry’s thread, alleging that the demonic attack on Tucker was the moment they possessed him - as “proven by his immediate turn on Israel.” These people have genuinely confused the Synagogue of Satan with the Christian Church. And evangelicalism has let them do it by letting myths like “Satan hates Israel” go on for far too long without being slapped down like an unruly adolescent who sassed their mother.
Harris also RT’d an account that had breathlessly announced that twenty-two days before this interview, Shawn Ryan had published his sit-down with Candace Owens, likely filmed even earlier, and now, mere weeks later, Ryan is describing the depths of hell and consulting exorcism specialists. He wasn’t claiming to know exactly why Shawn had that experience, he assured his readers, in the same sentence where he made it very clear what he wanted them to conclude anyway. The timing, he said, “wasn’t something he’d ignore.”
This is not theology. This is a man staring at a calendar and seeing a demon, because Candace Owens said something he didn’t like about the State of Israel. It’s part of the “Candace Owens is literally Satan” story-arc I covered in, “Get Thee Hence Behind Me: Satanic Condemnation in Political Marketing” from a few weeks ago. These are evangelicals who support a nation-state that bombs churches (on purpose), murders priests (on purpose), snipes children in the head with .308 rounds (on purpose), bombs their targets after they get home instead of when they leave to ramp up the civilian body count (on purpose), and has run a hostile anti-christian persecution campaign on the indigenous churches that have existed in the Holy Land longer that Israel has been a nation, but find Satan incarnate in a conspiracy theory they dont’ appreciate. They’re unserious people.
THIS LITERALLY ALREADY HAPPENED ONCE
In John 10, there’s a Man in the Text who is talking way too much about supernatural things for the comfort of the religious establishment. Jesus is standing in the temple, and he is not being subtle about his Supernaturalism. He’s talking about raising from the dead, about sheep who hear his voice, and a thief - clearly interpreted as Satan - who comes only to steal and kill and destroy. It sounded a lot like what the Israel Lobby’s evangelicals are complaining about: Supernatural categories. Cosmic stakes. Good and evil named plainly, with no hedge and no apologies. And the response from the religious professionals standing in that crowd was immediate. “He has a demon and is insane. Why listen to him?”
Let’s be clear: The concern of Jeremy Boreing, Joel Berry, Jon Harris, and Israel’s rented evangelicals is not Tucker’s theology. In as clear a way as can be demonstrated, they work for who both Jesus and Paul clearly identified as the enemy. Boreing and Berry are neck deep in Israeli funding, a charge I cannot prove but would stake my life on, and Harris is getting air-time and finger-sandwiches in Tel Aviv (some men sell out more cheaply than others). But they have the same message as the Jews of John 10, which is, “Why listen to Him?”
They don’t want people to listen to Tucker for any spiritual reason, but because Tucker is dropping truth-bombs on Israel every day of the week. It’s the same reason they don’t want people listening to Candace Owens. It has nothing to do with compassion for a widow and everything to do with 95% of what Candace is saying about Israel being drop-dead accurate.
In Jesus’ case, we know what the Jews cared about then, too. We have the minutes of a Sanhedrin meeting in John 11 where they plot His assassination. They were worried that Rome would take away their precious nation. They were Zionists. And they killed Christ because he got in the way of their Zionism.
Their message isn’t “he’s mistaken.” Not “let’s examine his claims.” It’s “He has a demon, and he’s crazy.” That is the full extent of the argument. When a man starts speaking with clarity and authority about the war between God and the devil, the fastest way to shut him down without engaging a single word he’s said is to declare him mentally unstable and possessed by the very thing he’s warning you about. It’s not a rebuttal. It’s a diagnosis, handed down by men who have decided in advance that the conversation is over.
That is precisely the move being run on Tucker Carlson right now. He keeps talking about the same things Jesus spoke of. And the response from the professional religious establishment has been the same tired script running for two thousand years. Not “let’s examine the claim.” Just: he’s gone unstable, he’s obsessed, something’s wrong with him, best to look away. Along with a “he’s possessed!” and “he’s crazy!”
The Jews did this with Christ repeatedly. Jesus’ response was, “Satan doesn’t cast out Satan,” pointing out that obviously Satan isn’t out, naming himself the enemy and warning people to be on guard for him. That makes no sense. And Satan is not possessing Tucker Carlson to get people to recognize that a real devil wants to destroy them. The Holy Ghost is possessing Tucker Carlson to get people to recognize that a real devil wants to destroy them.
But another verse comes to mind, this time from Paul, “Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."
That should settle the argument. Let God’s Word be true, though every man a liar.
The modern-day Sanhedrin’s rented evangelicals aren’t attacking Tucker and Shawn. They’re attacking all Christians who recognize the reality of Satan, demonic work in the lives of human beings, and especially those who do it simultaneously while criticizing the anti-Christ state of Israel. They’re attacking Christianity. They’re on the other team, and it’s time to say so.
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